Thursday, 20 August 2015

Confinement Centre Viewings Final - Serenity Confinement Centre

Ah finally, my last post on the viewing of the confinement centres. Hubby and I decided that we have seen enough to make a decision. So we made our way to Bandar Baru Sri Petaling to visit Serenity Confinement Centre which is our last stop.

I had browsed their website http://www.serenity.my/ before going and the information was pretty comprehensive and since they had photos and a video tour online I didn't take any pictures...again.

This is the only centre that was located in a shop lot commercial area. Hubby was doubtful if I would like to stay in a shop lot for one month but we went anyway because for us, the location was much nearer to our home than the other centres that we visited. More convenient for Hubby...

When we arrived there, the first thing we encountered was the difficulty in getting a car park. What would you expect from a thriving commercial area? After spending some time looking we manage to park along the side of the road which is not even a proper car park but because everybody else was parking there we thought...eh why not? Malaysia boleh...

It was a corner lot next to a clinic which we found out belong to one of the partners of the centre. The entrance was on the 1st floor and we were greeted by a pleasant elderly lady and 3 smiley nurses. So this is what we found out.

  • The centre is brand new and huge! The first Mummies will be staying there in Sept/Oct. They have two floors. One for deluxe rooms and one for Premium rooms. When we visited the Premium Floor was not completed yet. I can't remember how many rooms but if I am not mistaken they can accommodate like 20 over mummies at one time.
  • The centre was spacious and well appointed. It looked professional and almost like a private hospital. It didn't have the warmth of home like the other centres but you could still be sure that your needs will be taken care of. 
  • The centre has two kinds of room which is Deluxe and Premium. The current promotional rates are RM 9,388 and RM 11,388. The regular rates are RM 10,888 and RM 12,888.
  • The difference between the two types of rooms is the bed and toilet. In the Deluxe room you get a single bed and share a toilet with another room whilst the Premium gets you a queen bed and personal toilet
  • They have their own photo therapy machine in case your baby has jaundice, you don't have to go to a hospital. They can treat baby there for a fee.
  • The centre is owned by a few doctors and one of them has a clinic on the ground floor and is the resident in-house doctor which allows them to have a 24 hour on-call doctor in case of emergencies.
  • They also have a dining area where Mummies can come out and socialise and eat together, thought I noticed that two deluxe rooms open up to the dining area. NOTE: Definitely make sure that we request specifically for rooms that are not in the dining area because it would be really noisy and less privacy if we decide to stay here.
  • They have no surcharge for the Chinese New Year period! However, they require the Mummies to go home for 3 days and spend CNY with their own families and then come back to the centre to complete the stay. Hubby and I was of the opinion that it sounded like a good deal but we think that it might be more hassle than worth it. Having to pack up and cart Mummy and baby back home and worry about food...etc. 
  • They do encourage breast feeding and more importantly they do not stop you from direct latching your baby during the night and early morning hours. 
  • We were informed that they hire qualified nurses to care for Mummy and baby.

For us, the centre seemed to fulfill our needs and price wise the difference is marginal. The only thing that concerned us was, parking is going to be a nightmare for hubby since he is going to visit everyday. This is a bustling commercial centre. Secondly, having to go home during CNY.

Decisions, decisions! Arrgh!!

Anyway to end this post, if you would like to see what the place looks like, they have a video tour on their website. Or you can click on this link to watch it. http://www.serenity.my/tour.html

We have to decide really soon...HELP!







My 18 Month Old Doesn't Talk Yet

We went to the Klinik Kesihatan Ibu dan Anak on Wednesday for Chapati's routine one and the half years check up. Time really flies, my baby is 18 months old already! Anyway, we got there registered, paid the RM1 for fees and waited for him to be weighed and measured.

He is 9.6 kg and 77 cm tall. He is within the 50th percentile so very normal and healthy little boy. Then it was our turn and the nurse started asking me questions about Chapati. Stuff like eating and drinking and then about his developmental milestones, after which her expression changed a little when she asked me about what he was able to say. When I told her "Nothing, he doesn't talk" she seemed very surprised and said "mama? papa?" I told her "Nope nothing, except one word which we have heard him say before which is UP" He says this when he goes up stairs or when he climbs something. She hummmed and hawwed for a moment and then went on to finish the questions. After that she said that she would refer us to see the resident doctor upstairs after she had given him his immunisation jab. 

He was a brave boy, he only screamed when the nurse jabbed him and then promptly forgot about it when she stuck a ball of cotton wool and plaster over the injection site. We then proceeded to see the doctor and she asked us some questions and observed him for a little while. She was concerned and decided to refer us to a paedeatrician in HUKM for an assessment to see if he needs speech therapy or if there was anything else that may delaying his speech.

She agreed that after observing him, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with him. He eats really well and is not a picky eater, he socialises well with people and children, he listens and understands when we speak to him, he is not withdrawn or shy at all, in fact he is capable of walking around by himself and doesn't seem to mind strangers (good and not good as we have to be extra watchful because anyone can carry him!) He know exactly what he wants and where he wants to go by pointing and making sounds,albeit unintelligible sounds (just to attract our attention), he is intelligent as he instinctively is able to do things by observation, but she says no harm getting it checked out. I agree with her so off we went to HUKM armed with the referral letter to make and appointment. Our public health care did not disappoint at all, according to the nurse,appointments were full for the next 5 months and the earliest appointment was....wait for it... on 31st December 2015!   
 

What to do? Wait loh...but of course I wasn't just going to wait around until then. I talked to my Mum and she reminded that one of my cousins was a speech therapist but she is living in the Netherlands at the moment. Thank God for whatsapp and email. I also told my Doc sister who is in the USA. 

Doc sis says that based on what she has seen of Chapati, she doesn't think that there is anything wrong with him at all. It may be that he has been around adults a lot and has his needs anticipated all the time. Ie, He is either with Mama and Papa, Kung Kung or Po Po. Since we care for him and know him very well he doesn't see the need to speak/ask for anything. We anticipate it in advance and give it to him. The little rascal is smart and intelligent enough to know this. She also said that he would probably surprise us one day by speaking in full sentences. One other option is to send him to day care to be with other kids. Her oldest boy went to day care at 6 months I think and he already spoke full sentences when he was 18 months.

Cousin speech therapist says it's good to eliminate possible causes and go for an assessment to give us some peace of mind. Also it is good to start now since he is still so young, easier for us to encourage/teach him to speak. So she gave me some referrals and I have made an appointment for this coming Monday.

I have decided to see Leong Yean Ching who is a Paediatric SLP at Articulice Speech Centre located at Taman Tayton View Cheras. I was asked to prepare the following so that she could interact and observe Chapati to assess him further :-
  1. Some snacks and drinks for Chapati like biscuits and juice so that she could observe the way he eats and drinks. 
  2. His toys or things to help him in a new environment with strange people. (As if! )
  3. Anything else that he might need. (Dunno what else as he is not a fussy 
Till next week...in the meantime I plan to enjoy the weekend! TGIF!



Tuesday, 18 August 2015

Family Outing - Stream and sand!

We got invited to join in our friend's son's birthday celebration in Bukit Kiara Park in Taman Tun Dr Ismail and we thought that it would be nice to take Chapati out to the park/playground and run around with other kids. So far in our cell group he is the youngest and it will be good for him to socialise with kids of all ages.

Anyway, we got there and he was happy to run around and see the playground slides and swings. Then I decided to ask Hubby to bring him to the stream nearby as most of the children had already decided to jump in and play with the water because it was so hot. 

We were unprepared for it because we didn't think of putting him in the water, so we didn't bring any swimmers or a towel for him. Hubby said to just strip him of his long pants and put him in the stream with his rompers. We had a change of diapers and clothes anyway where ever we go, so it should be alright.

He loved the water and the sand! This is actually the first time that he is playing in a stream with sand. 



His very happy face when Papa put him in the stream! 












Playing with the sand and testing out his little borrowed spade.






Playing with the other kids.




Happily splashing water at everyone. By this time he had a really really really heavy diaper! Ha ha ha! We all enjoyed ourselves and will definitely plan for more soon.

Can't wait till our trip to Phuket next month. He is going to love the sea and sand!





15 Weeks and RELIEF!

My morning sickness has faded quite a bit since a week or so ago. ie around 14 weeks. I feel more like myself and the nausea comes only in the evenings. It starts at about 4 pm or so and last till around 8 pm. Sometimes it goes on through the night and I make it a point to call it a night, so I don't have to put up with the yucky feelings. The vomiting on the other hand has nearly stopped, probably 5 times in the last 10 days which is also good. I tell everyone it a 180° change! I am really praying that all this will go away completely within this week.

I must say though that the last 4-5 weeks has left me very low on energy, I feel tired easily (even walking from the office to Pavilion which is only 5 minutes walk), my eyes also tire easily and I have been getting quite severe headaches at the front of my forehead. I also feel bloated whenever I eat and have to remember not to eat too much at one time which is difficult because I am hungry. The most challenging for me is to drink water. I am still having a tough time drinking plain water and most days I get maybe 2 glasses of water throughout the day when I am in the office. Eating and drinking well is still

I have been complaining to Hubby again about how it was so difficult to eat and hence even more difficult to ensure that I get enough nutrition. He was a little fed up that I kept complaining and suggested that I go try the healthy shakes on the ground floor of my office building. Shakesberry has been here for the last 6 years but it never really occurred to me to try it. So humbly after getting told off by Hubby I decided to try something...ANYTHING! So I bravely went in and had a quick chat with Yann who runs the place and told her about my challenges. She started me straight away on one big cup of aloe concentrate with lukewarm water (it was horrible since I can't stand drinking warm or lukewarm water) anyway, I managed to down the whole cup and then she gave me another giant glass of nutritional shake (Tropical Fruit flavour) with dragon fruit thought I am not sure what else she put in it. Anyway, it tasted good and I finished the whole cup but felt super full. Felt alright throughout the day though a little quesy in the evening. So I am going to try to drink it every morning for the next 10 days. Today is Day 3 and I had a chocolate shake with Quaker cereal squares and it was yummy. Can't wait to try out new flavours over the next few days.

One more thing I am going to try is drink a nutritional shake with protein powder in the evenings instead of dinner because I don't seem to be doing very well with food in the evenings. Hopefully this will make up for all the lack of nutrition over the last 4-5 weeks. Now have to look for good protein powder...



Monday, 17 August 2015

Confinement Centre Viewings Part 3 - Gina's Place (The Breastfeeding Postnatal Centre)

If you are a Mummy who breastfeeds, you will definitely know TBAN (The Breastfeeding Advocates Network) and through that Gina Yong.  

I had heard a lot about her Postnatal Centre which used to be somewhere in Kota Kemuning (thanks for Mum-in-law again) but now it is in Taman Yarl. I checked out her FB page https://www.facebook.com/Ginas.Postnatal/timeline and blogspot http://ginaspostnatal.blogspot.com/ then wrote her an email to find out more. 

Her response was prompt, the information provided was very comprehensive and she included clear terms and conditions as well. The only thing left was to visit and experience the place. Lots of brownie points! 


  • Brownie point No. 1 - They encourage and encourage and encourage breast feeding! This is really important to me as I breastfed Chapati until he was about 16 months old. I am really hoping to breastfeed longer with baby #2.
  • 2 kinds of room, Classic and Luxury - RM 10,388/RM 11,388 or RM 11,011.28/RM 12,071.28 inclusive of 6% GST (This price is only applicable until 31 December 2015)
  • They give you 3 main meals, 2 snacks and 1 supper. Brown Point No. 2 - They specifically prepare a tonic soup for Mummies everyday. (I love love love to drink soup)
  • Disposable mesh panties, cotton socks and slippers for Mummy. Laundry also taken care of and Daddy can stay if he wants. (We saw a few Daddies there when we visited)
  • They provide everything for baby so you don't have to bring a bagful of stuff for baby. Brownie Point No. 3 - They use cloth diapers! This is so good for the baby's bottom. 
  • Brownie Point No. 4 - There are qualified nurses there with experience who will help to care for you and baby 24/7
  • The centre was very spacious and homely. Brownie Point No. 5 - They provide good Getha beds so the sleep should be comfortable. 
  • Bathrooms were clean but looked a little old. Thought I felt that the baby bathing area looked a little run down. It was probably a wet kitchen which they converted to put a bathing tub in the sink. Then at the side was an Ikea changing pad to dress your baby.
  • Brownie Point No. 6. - The baby area is in the main hall which I thought was a good idea because then it is visible to everyone and they had good air circulation rather than in a small covered rooms like the other centres. 
  • The rooms very pretty decent sizes and they provide a kettle for boiling water, drinks and snacks in the room. (in case Mummy suddenly gets hungry)
  • Lastly I thought it was fantastic that they make it compulsory for Mummy & Daddy to attend a breast feeding class to help understand before birth. 
There are a couple of things that I really have to think about namely:-

1) Since baby #2 is arriving around the CNY period. There will be a 20% surchage on top of the cost. Though I must say that her CNY period is only between 7th - 14th of February which is really reasonable whilst some other centres start as early at 24th of January and last for one month! 
2) As I am opting for natural birth my EDD is 3rd February 2016 but I could deliver anytime from 13th January 2016 onwards. According to the terms it is ok if I deliver earlier then I just wait for a room to become available. However, if I deliver later then I might have to pay RM100/day to hold the room for me. Then my stay might be reduced and the charges pro-rated. Note: This is something to clarify if I am going to confirm the room.

After our visit was done, I really like the way things are done and handled at Gina's place. Overall I felt reassured and confident that baby #2 and I would be taken of and comfortable. The only drawback was that among all the centres this was really premium and thus as it would be expected, premium pricing as well. I would be spending a grand total of RM 13,213.54 for my 28 days confinement for baby #2!

That's a lot of money!



Thursday, 13 August 2015

Morning sickness...my eating nightmare

One of the worse things to experience with morning sickness is the constant nausea and the feeling that nothing and I mean NOTHING looks remotely appealing to eat and you are hungry. Not just the normal hungry type where you missed a meal, it's the "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse, been starved for weeks and I miss all the good food" kind of hungry.

I got to thank God though because earlier on before we found out about Bump I was complaining to Hubby that I realised now why Mummies continued to grow fatter and fatter with each subsequent baby. I was still 5 kilos overweight compared to my pre-pregnancy weight with Chapati so if I were to put on another 10 kilos or so with Bump...horror of horrors I will become a pygmy hippo because I would be the heaviest ever! However with the last 5 weeks of constant nausea, vomiting 5 to 6 times a day and inability to really eat, my last weight in when I went for a scan was back to my pre-pregnancy weight with Chapati! Though I would never want to experience the last 5 weeks ever again as I believe there are easier ways to lose weight.

Anyway, I was just remembering how difficult it was to eat and would like to share what worked for me (trust me everything else worked once and didn't work again ie. vomit vomit vomit) 
  • 1/3 cup of Guinness Malta in 1 cup full of ice 
  • Ruffles by Lays (Original) - a small handful a day. 
  • Peanut butter (Smooth) - 1 spoonful
  • 2 or 3 thin pieces of cheddar cheese cut from a small block of cheese (not the slice kind) 

So there is my little list of what didn't make me vomit. Everything else including fruits made me sick!

Tuesday, 11 August 2015

Confinement Centre Viewings Part 2 - Daveleen Sdn Bhd

Following my earlier posting about my planned visits to confinement centres, Hubby and I managed to squeeze in the remainder of centres over the last few days. Super tiring but enlightening. I will write more about them in individual postings because I don't think I can cover them all. Today I will write about Moms2b or they are also known under the brand name Mom's Paradise. They are part of the Daveleen Group of companies that also have other services like a beauty centre that offers pre and post natal massages as well a confinement meals catering.

I was quite excited to view the place as I had received a recommendation from my mother-in-law and had read some write ups on some blogs about the place and their services. However the write ups were mainly about some of their events like Mother's Day celebration and their products like Moon's Pre Natal and Post Natal Essential. I also saw some photos online and thought that they looked pretty decent. Not to mention that their website was quite informative and easy to navigate. You can check out their website from this link below:-

http://www.moms2b.com/

When we arrived at the bungalow on SS2/3 PJ, we were quite impressed as the place looked well kept and the signs were very prominent along the main road. Once again I did not take photos! Arrgh...blame it on morning sickness and prenancy hormones. (Ha ha ha, how convenient...) Anyway, since I didn't take any photos I will concentrate on what we experienced.

My verdict:  I left angry at the sales person and completed appalled at what I had experienced and learned about the centre.

It was a rather sizable bungalow and it had a beautifully landscaped outdoor area. We entered the main door and there was about 2 people or so sitting. We were greeted by a lady who spoke in really fast and fluent Mandarin. Unfortunately I am a banana and my chinese in general works only for ordering food and basic communication. So I told her that I don't speak mandarin, we were here to find out more about the confinement centre and that I had initially spoken to a person name Jessie. She then asked us to have a seat and wait for a moment.

We waited and finally when she was done with another couple, she approached us and introduced herself as Jessie. She seemed pleasant enough and I sat down with her at the table while she started showing me a file that had information and pictures of the confinement centre. Hubby was looking after Chapati as he was playing around on one of the sofas.

The first thing that really annoyed me was when I asked her about the Chinese New Year surcharge. I just wanted to understand how it worked as bump's EDD is 3rd February 2016 but according to the doctors I could deliver anytime from the 13th of January 2016 onwards. First she mentioned it could be pro-rated if we stayed a few days into their CNY period, then after that she said more than a few days she would have to charge it in full, then when I asked her how many days, she says two or three days...on the whole I still couldn't really understand what the real policies are on the surcharge. So I asked her again and this time very specific questions which I will detail below:-

Q1: When does the surcharge actually start?
A1: (She then showed me a picture of their CNY periods which I was finally clear about.) It starts on the 24th of January 2016 and the surcharge is RM2300

Q2: Then I asked her, what happens if I deliver on the 13th of January, how will the surcharge apply? Will it apply in whole? Or will it apply partially?
A2: (I paraphrase here because I can't really recall her exact words) Ok, if you don't want to pay the surcharge then you can leave the centre earlier.

Q3: I then repeated my above question again because she did not answer my questions.
A3: Believe it or not she once again in a louder and slightly arrogant voice gave me the same answer as above.

By that time, I was a little annoyed so I told her, what I really want to know is how the surcharge works, which she then started to answer me again about how I could avoid paying the CNY surcharge. I finally got louder and said please answer my question, as I am now aware how not to pay the surcharge however, I still don't understand how the surcharge works. By that time, I turned to hubby with my angry face and she then started speaking in Cantonese to Hubby which cause me to get angrier, mind you I told her before that I did not speak Chinese very well.

She finally clarified that as long my stay falls within that period, the surcharge will apply which was what I wanted confirmation from the beginning. By that time, my patience was already wearing thin however, there were still a lot of other important questions. I found out the following:-


  • The actual centre is located at another location nearby the office. 
  • The people who looks after your baby at night are confinement nannies/maids who looked foreign and not qualified/reqistered nurses.
  • At night, mummies are required to surrender their babies to the confinement ladies at 10.30 pm until 8 am the next morning. (This one sounded like you don't see your baby at all from 10.30 pm until 8 the next morning. Which I thought sounded a little unreasonable, after all that is YOUR baby...but I didn't bother to clarify)
  • If breast feeding, they do not allow you to direct latch your baby at all during that time (10.30 pm - 8 am) in your room. You can pump your milk and the nannies will feed your baby. (This one I believe is a little bit of ignorance and maybe tradition? How much milk can you pump during your first week?) 
  • When I told her that usually a new mummy would not have so much milk to pump during the first week and usually the best way they baby can get breast milk is by direct latching, her answer was really practiced and glib "oh you have to bring your own milk formula so that the nannies can feed your baby" (This one I understand because not everyone believes that babies grow best on breast milk. But this is what I want for MY baby)
  • When I asked if there was any option at all for me to breast feed my baby directly, her only answer was that their rules and policies had to be followed. One of the reasons was that if the baby cries at night, it will disturb other mummies who are staying there. (This one I cannot understand because I thought we had our own rooms?)
  • The centre was a little dark and most of the rooms did not seem to have natural lighting. 
  • The beds were single only and didn't look comfortable at all.
  • Lastly what annoyed me most was the fact that after our question and answer exchange, the sales person continued to speak in Cantonese and addressed everything to Hubby! 

Lessons learnt!

You really cannot judge a book by its cover. The office looked decent and extremely well done up but the centre itself was a disappointment. I can't imagine being locked up there for 30 days...like jail. A personal site visit is really really really IMPORTANT. My mother-in-law told me that they did not allow her  to visit the actual centre, (I wonder why?)

The sales person can really make or break your business, she was loud, didn't listen to her customers and didn't answer her customers questions directly. Hubby and I felt the same, she was just arrogant and gave us the impression that our business was not important to them because there was a long line of other people waiting to snap up their rooms. (Which may be the truth but I certainly would not be one of them!)

Ask and ask and ask questions until you are clear, after all you are going to be paying them nearly RM10k (that's a lot of money!) and it's your baby, your health and happiness when you decide to stay with them. Don't let some overtly loud and arrogant sales person stop you from finding out what to expect when using their services.

Always compare service providers. This experience was vastly different from my earlier viewing and  my expectations were a little high after reading stuff about their events, seeing their nicely appointed office and my mother-in-law who also visited their office but did not see the actual centre.


To end it all different people have different needs and I guess that this place just doesn’t suit my needs whilst other people might be ok with it. It is fairly common for babies to be left with the confinement ladies during the night so that new mothers get to sleep and recover.  As for me I get nervous not seeing my baby for that long. 

I found some photos online thanks to blogger jacsafterparty for putting up quite a comprehensive collection of it. http://www.jacsafterparty.com/2013/07/daveleen-women-health-beauty.html
The photos were taken in 2013 and the facilities has deteriorated since then. I really hope that the centre improves their services and facilities. After all they seemed to have garnered quite good publicity before and their founder seems to have very good experience.


Blog update 17th August 2015

I realised that I forgot to include the price information that I have on the centre so I am doing  a quick update here.
  • The rooms rates are from RM 8179 (standard), RM 9455 (superior), RM 10520 (deluxe) which are approximately 34%-37% discount from their original prices of RM 12,628, RM 14,420 and RM 16,660  
  • Down payment to confirm the booking is 30% of the price